tv Morning Joe MSNBC April 15, 2014 3:00am-6:01am PDT
london. well, let's go to the top of the rock for a panoramic view of new york city. this beautiful morning. oh, my god. drink it all in. set, washingto anch anchor katty kay. this is going to be number one with a bullet. "the confidence code: the science and art of self-assurance, what women should know." we'll talk about it later this morning. and donnie deutsch and thomas roberts. in boston, mike barnacle. we have a lot to talk about. first of all, donnie, wow. atlantic. they unveiled it, man. look at this. closing the confidence gap. i'm excited about this for a couple reasons. obviously a good friend of our show. secondly you can relate with me
here because we are brothers from another mother here. we need to close this gap. for you and me this is something that has tortured us for decades. and i think if we had a little more confidence we may have gone further in this crazy world. >> you and i could learn from that. >> we can, yeah. >> what's interesting is our talent far exceeds our confidence level. >> katty, can men really learn from what you're saying? >> we have asterisks at the end of them. this does not apply to scarborough and deutsch. >> one of my favorite parts is little boys andirls g in third or fourth grade are questioned about their math skills. and young girls always say they are actually worse in math than they actually are. little boys are far more confident in math than they should be.
>> it doesn't change. men and women are just the same. >> really? >> yeah. men overestimate their abilities by 30% on average. >> that's not true. >> i love donnie's smile there. >> i saw the guys who jumped off the top of freedom there. when do we go up? after the show, top of the rock. >> we can do it. you? >> no. i'm not there. >> so we're going to talk to you later on. can't wait for that. pulitzer prize. i'm curious why you think a lot of unrest especially in the conservative community this morning. i would dare say a lot of americans not understanding why the guardian and other newspapers saying -- "washington post," that some would say aided and abetted a guy that many believe -- talking about a guy that's guilty of treason getting his story out in ways that at least the u.s. government
believe hurt this country. what are your thoughts and what are you hearing? >> there you have the guardian and "the washington post" and pulitzer prize getting the controversy over supporting somebody who is believed as a treasonist. a traitor to america. the counterargument made by the board is that they are doing the best journalism around. they are not part of snowden's story. they are reporting snowden's story. that's why they've been given this. they came across and were given access to this incredible story. whatever you think of snowden, i think we would recognize that we would not be having the debate about nsa surveillance in the past year had it not been for the reporting on snowden's story. >> okay. and obviously had an
they gave light to what happened a year ago today. it was an outlet for the community as well as a source of information for the community, obviously. >> no doubt about it. an extraordinary coverage but terrible, terrible event. by the way, thomas, if people watching "morning joe" and there are i think now if you count armed forces radio i think about 87 million people worldwide, if they want to lodge complaints against the pulitzer board, we know who they can complain with. >> i don't know if he's going to be answering them, but eugene robinson sits on the board. he explained last week that if there is a colleague of his at "the washington post" that comes up, then they recuse themselves. >> he probably stayed in the room for this one. all right, katty. . >> it's been busy down in south africa after five grueling days. the cross examination of oscar
pistorius is over. his reaction upon discovering her on the bathroom floor. >> i find it strange, sir, you've now seen for the first time that your panic would not have been at its greatest when you saw her through the broken door. >> it was the state of panic is not knowing. when i saw reeva there, i was broken. i was overcome by a bunch of sadness. so i wouldn't have screamed out. >> up until that time when you broke it down, you would not have thought you shot her. >> that's not what i said, my lady. >> you hoped you didn't. >> i hoped i didn't. >> but when you saw it, that must have been an unbelievable shock. >> that's correct. >> but you never screamed out. >> that's correct. >> you were running up and down screaming but not when you saw her. >> that's correct, my lady.
>> mr. pistorius, i would have expected you to then scream at ree reeva, to talk to her. >> i was talking to her saying, baby, please hold on. >> yesterday the former olympian was accused of staging his outburst to hide his frustration with the prosecution's side of authorities. federal prosecutors will charge hate crimes on frazier glenn cross. he's accused of murdering three jewish people at centers. the former kkk grand dragon was once a green beret in vietnam. he reportedly yelled hail hitler. none of his victims were jewish. caught in the crossfire was a
grandfather and grandson. the mother showed poise at a news conference. >> our dad and my son were at the wrong place at the wrong time for a split second. he was with us for a wonderful 14 years. he had a really full life for a 14-year-old. and we were very blessed. people keep saying how come you're so strong, and i'm strong because i have family. i'm strong because i have faith. i know that god did not do this. i know that there are evil, evil actions. but what we do have is each other and we have love. >> unbelievable. that woman has just lost her 14-year-old son. >> and her father at the same time. yeah. it's unbelievable that her father had moved in town a decade earlier. >> yeah. and she was just visiting him, actually, down there.
also killed with terri lamanno who was visiting her mother. unbelievable. an armed standoff over land rights is dragging in everyone. at the center is this man. he's in a fight with the bureau of land management. they're saying he raised his herd of cattle on federal land for 20 years without paying. >> he owes the american people $1 million because he has not obeyed the laws. the courts have ruled on his argument and have said that the land that he claimed as his is public land. the courts have ruled that his cattle are in trespass. the courts have demanded he remove his livestock and the courts have authorized the national park service. >> bundy denies the legitimacy of the federal government and his backers say the state of nevada's rights have been
trampled by federal officials. it came to a head over the weekend after federal personnel seized about a third of his cattle. he was backed by militia members from as far away as virginia and washington state. the standoff lasted 20 minutes. the feds blinked first and returned this cattle. >> i've been paying taxes for grazing cattle on madison avenue for 20 years. >> they go halfway through central park. by the way, i don't mind you doing that. but i called the feds and i wanted tasers out on you when they get to the west side. that's my hood. you stay on the east side. there's a line right down the middle. >> but i pay my taxes. >> can i just say -- okay. my sheep are going to continue to graze around tavern on the green even when it reopens on april the 24th. i'm very excited about -- no. listen. listen. anybody who calls himself
conservative and tries to wrap themselves around this cause where the federal government has land, you go to the courts, you do it legally, and every court decides that you don't have a right to graze on federal land without paying the united states government for that right. is not conservative. there's nothing conservative about that. either the guy owes the federal government money and if he doesn't pay them they can take his cattle away. there are -- you know, eric tweeted over the weekend say b i don't understand. is he paying for the right? it was a rhetorical question. and i talked to somebody else and i won't say their name on air who very conservative guy who would normally like you, of course, because of your cattle on the east side. would love to sympathize with this guy.
but there's no sympathizing with him. did the federal government overreach in their reaction? perhaps. there was an overreaction to this. but at the same time the courts had decided. either this guy is going -- if people are rushing to his defense to say you can do whatever you want to do and you can ignore one judge after another judge after another judge after another ruling after another ruling and call yourself a conservative, please attach another label to it. >> you end up with anarchy. >> if you watch the video play out, almost looks like a bad movie. but the federal authorities taking on the members there, one of them does get tased. he just goes back at the officers. very chaotic. passions are running high in a situation like this. you pointed out. if they vetted this through the courts, there has to be some adherence to what the courts are saying. >> one court after another court after another court. >> ukraine's president is asking
for peace keepers to be sent to the eastern part of the country. separatists are seizing more buildings there. yesterday it was a police station. though it is unverified, video shows ukrainian officers being given introductions by a russian. a deadline set by ukraine's new president to clear militants under the threat of force have come and gone without action. obama spoke with vladimir putin by phone calling on him to remove troops from the ukrainian border and asked those who seized buildings to stand down. putin said they are blameless in this. but jay carney says russia is using tactics from the, quote, soviet past. >> it's not that you suddenly have at the same time a bunch of men wearing military gear without insignias including bulletproof vests suddenly
sprout up organically in the form of protests. you know, it's kind of heavy handed approach, but an approach that familiar has familiarity with given the soviet past. but it's not fooling anybody. >> let's bring in chief foreign correspondent richard engel. it looks like ukraine is running out of options. >> ukraine is faced with difficult choices. the government in kiev is weak and is losing control of its territory building by building. nine towns and cities right now have pro-russian sympathizers occupying police stations, an airstrip, government offices. and there's a mix of russian troops, ukrainian-russian nationals. these are people who have dual nationality. and sometimes just hired thug who are paid by russian sympathizers or by moscow.
the government in kiev has a choice. it can either go in by choice and try to drive them out. one, it doesn't have a lot of force to do that. so it might not even succeed, and two, if it does go in by force, then it just backs up russia's argument that these people, these russian sympathizers are being attacked by the pro-american government in kiev and could cause -- could be a provocation that moscow would use to intervene militarily. so the government in kiev has very hard choices. >> mike barnacle in boston has a question. mike? >> what's the level of concern on the ground in ukraine that vladimir putin while he can help instigate things that there is a point where he cannot control what happens, that it might spin rapidly out of control? >> people think at this stage this is a pretty organized plan
and that it is going according to plan. look at the example in crimea. i just got back from crimea. in crimea where there were russian bases, you had russian troops leave their bases and then deputize all of the people around there. and just took over. imagine in the united states if you had all of the american troops based at ft. hood or some other territory, left their bases, deputized all of the military community or the military sympathetic community and say, okay, we're now an independent country. that's sort of what happened in crimea. what you're seeing in the eastern part of the country which has a long border with russia is people who have russian sympathies, people with russian nationality are coming in. you see the pictures there right now. taking over buildings and then holding them and effectively daring the government in kiev to come and try and kick them out
because if they do, there will be blood on the streets and moscow which has said all along that the government in kiev is anti-russian will come out and say we need to send in peace keepers and they have 40,000 troops on the borders. and you can see the russian peace keepers rolling across. >> richard engel, appreciate you being here. thousands of people will gather today to mark the one-year anniversary of the boston marathon bombing. vice president joe biden will speak at a ceremony for those who will once again run. final touches are now being put on the course in preparation for this year's race. security, of course, ramped up. it is the second largest field in the race's history. and in the re-telling of the story, the attacks to the manhunt to the violence standoff, there is an effort to shift the focus now to the strength of the community. this was last year's "sports
illustrated" cover. over the weekend the magazine staged a shoot of the firefighters, survivors, and everyday bostonians. one paralyzed in one leg expressed his gratitude to the medical team who saved his life. >> my outcome was certain. didn't know if i was going to live. when i left here last year, i was still in a bed. future was still uncertain. yes, i was going to live. but i didn't know if i'd ever walk again. but i stand here today in front of you to thank you personally for saving my life and for all the thoughts. >> patriots day has always been a big day in boston. obviously an ugly mar on that day.
got a feeling today is going to be one of the more touching patriots day in boston. >> yeah, it is. for those of you unfamiliar with what patriots is in boston, it's a holiday. there's a red sox game early in the morning. and the game ends just as most of the members of the marathon are coming through right outside the ballpark. the crowds mingle with the runners. it's a jubilant day. it's a 26-mile-long community block party which is one of the reasons that everyone took such offense at what happened last year. the sense of resilience in this city is the same, i think, as it would be in any other american city. i mean, people got up. they got back to work. we literally got on our legs and went forward. i think it's an american spirit more than just a bostonian spirit. >> all right. and of course it's the one-year anniversary. we'll be talking about it
throughout the day. and we also have this morning dr. brzezinski coming on. also cosmo's editor in chief joanna coles. weighing in on the confidence gap. also we've got documentary film maker ken burns joins us. a lot ahead on "morning joe." and the atlantic, this is big. >> and the book. >> this is huge. and the book, of course! we'll be right back. ♪ we are one boston. no adversity, no challenge, nothing can tear down the resilience of our city and its people.
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welcome back to "morning joe." before we get to morning papers, we brought the boston globe over today. one year, one city. and of course a lot of the people from last year standing at the finish line. front page of "the boston globe." >> the double out. look at that. >> it's beautiful. all right. it's time for the morning papers. from "the new york times," for the third day in a row, firefighters in chile struggle to contain a wildfire that's destroyed more than 2,000 homes. chile's agency says it could take three weeks to stop the fire. continues the death toll to rise as efforts continue throughout the region. more than 10,000 people have been evacuated. >> that is one big fire.
"the los angeles times" the search for malaysia 370 hit a snag underwater. the navy released this footage of the bluefin being deployed. just six hours into its drive, the craft was forced back to the surface after reaching its limit. the sub will continue its search today. >> and "the boston globe" found free samples are being given to teens of e-cigarettes. prepared to roll out new tobacco-related rules. >> don't you still have qualms about it? >> there's a big problem with them targeting kids. >> exploding in several
circumstances when you plug them up. >> let me say for the record, i am against 14-year-olds having exploding cigarettes. i'm going there. >> you're going opposed to freedom next, aren't you? >> you have the right to have an e-cigarette blow up in your face if you so choose to. i think that's what our founding fathers fought, you know -- >> just what they had in mind. "the san jose mercury news," the tech giant titan did not explain how much it paid for the google start-up. they will use these to collect aerial photos. >> google's buying everything. >> everything. >> i'm hoping they'll accidentally buy one of my dogs. you know? buying everything. in "the washington post," federal authorities are pressing charges against a woman accused
of throwing a shoe at hillary clinton last week. the subject was charged with trespassing and faces up to a year in prison. local authorities also booked her for misdemeanor disorderly conduct which can carry a six-month sentence. so much, thomas, for those that have been saying over the past 24 hours that hillary staged the event. >> it's a deep conspiracy. >> she handled it well, though. >> and then spend a year in prison. >> sounds like a deal. >> with us now, mike allen here with the morning playbook. it's great to have you here in person. >> thanks for having me. congratulations on pub day. very exciting. >> thank you. >> it is one of the most closely watched races of the year. we're talking about what's happening in louisiana with mary landrieu. now we have the first ad out for re-election. take a peek.
>> for years she forced washington to respect louisiana. >> administration's policies are simply wrong when it comes to oil and gas production in this nation. >> like stopping offshore drilling. >> nothing about this moratorium makes sense. >> now as the new chairman of the energy committee -- >> do you think there's fairy god mothers out there that wave a magical wapd? >> -- she holds the strongest position for louisiana. >> that's the message we told to the president. my eyes are on the people i represent, the taxpayers, and this country. >> so feisty incumbent, the title theme here, will not rest. how does it do? >> that's right. this is really surprising at a time almost everyone is running away from d.c. this ad that goes up statewide in louisiana today and "morning joe" viewers are seeing it for the first time, she's talking about what she's done. so i told the president what i did. i'm chairman of the energy committee. so she's saying she can deliver
for louisiana perhaps one of the most endangered incumbents. she's staking her campaign she can get it done. >> not running away from d.c. >> this is the opposite we're seeing in many races. nobody wants to take credit for things joe you always took credit for when you were running for re-election. >> mary landrieu's already said when it came to the health care act, she was the one that tried to fix it. in sense that was an extension of that previous story. >> that's a great point. >> it's kind of the only message she can give at this point. >> no way to run away from it. the chairman of energy in louisiana is a huge thing for that state. she's trying to convince people that.
we had a male nar rarator. it's unusually long as she unveils her message. >> donnie deutsch, i've always said, you know, mary landrieu always figures out a way to win. that was a good ad. >> joe, i mean, she really took a page from your playbook. 90 miles an hour straightforward. i thought that was a fantastic ad in both its content and more importantly in its tone. and she's leaning in. this is what i am doing. i am taking the bull by the horns. and i think it could even be a playbook for some people on how they can even hug and embrace obamacare in a very, very warm and fuzzy way, but certainly put their toe in the water in that direction. look, i'm behind it. we need some fixing. there's a playbook there. >> what she did here, obviously she talked about an issue that's very important to louisiana. she also had the first clip of talking about how the administration didn't get it right. and donnie, she's going to also i'm sure going to roll out an ad
later on this year where she's critical of some of the things the president has done on obamacare. but again, the key is 90 miles an hour going forward. if you are a democrat in a red state and you're milly mouthed and you're scared, people sense it and you lose elections. but that, i don't think i've seen a commercial like that before. the whole tv clips from washington while people in the home state watching are really affected. >> the tone is the thing. the confident, the jaw out. something to be learned there. >> speaking of tv ads you've never seen been listen to this one and the tone as john boehner's opponent is looking for a laugh. the candidate is out with a web video that mocks the house speaker's long tenure on capitol hill. >> you make a great team. it's been that way since the day you met, but your electile
dysfunction could be a problem of blood flow. sometimes when in office too long, they can't get the job done. other signs of electile dysfunction include the inability to punch one's self-out of the paper bag, smoking, and golf. if you have a boehner lasting longer than 21 years, seek immediate attention. winteregg. >> that is from j.d. winteregg. if you have a boehner lasting more than 23 years, seek immediate medical attention. >> we heard that, thomas. thank you. >> can you save this for the confidence discussion? >> wow. okay. mike allen? >> private parks are big in the cycle. this is what candidates are using to break through. >> did you just say private parks or parts?
>> british. private parts. so we have the turkey castration ad last week. >> yeah, yeah. >> so these break through. this is a 32-year-old adjunct french professor. he's one of three people running against the speaker in a republican primary. so a laugh is about all he's going to get, but he broke through. >> he did break through. all right, mike allen, thank you so much. always great to see you. coming up next, if you like the long ball, you have to see the highlights from cincinnati last night. and bring your calculator. there was a home run frenzy there. "morning joe" is next. ♪ ♪ i'm in a new york state of mind ♪
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will perform at a meet in arizona. he will swim the 500 meter free style and the butterfly. before you get excited about this one, his long-time coach said, quote, i think he's just going to test the waters a bit. i wouldn't say it's a full fledged comeback. we wish him the best and maybe we'll see him in rio. all right. now to baseball. a slug fest taking part. hitting a combined ten home runs before rain suspended play. cincy hit four. pittsburgh, six. including three pairs of back-to-back slams. the game, it resumes today with the game tied at seven. just smacking them. >> wow. >> to philadelphia -- >> i was going to ask mike barnicle, a slug fest between two rivals. >> yeah. cincinnati and pittsburgh great rivalry. terrific ballpark. a band bust. anyone other than donnie deutsch
could put it out of that ballpark. >> donnie, wow. >> you know mike? i want to say i love you and miss you. >> to philadelphia. the braveslies 6-5. then this happened. >> at the track. at the wall. it's a grand slam! >> that's good, right? uggla clears the bases with one swing of the bat. his second homer of the night. the braves win 9-6. we've got to rewind and show you what was happening on the side there. check out these philly fans. they were taunting uggla but the body language changes quickly once they realize it's going to be a grand slam. >> okay. >> so you've heard about this woob right? next week we're taking the show on the road. "way too early" and "morning joe" live from wrigley field celebrating 100 years of baseball in chicago on
wednesday, april the 23rd. and i've told mika about her "way too early" onesie. i'm going to make her wear it while we're there. >> oh, really? at wrigley? >> uh-huh. >> mike, will you make it to wrigley? >> i'm going to be there. it's going to be great. >> 100 years. >> and nice thing is every commercial break you'll bring back a world series trophy. >> seriously. >> unbelievable. you are so classless. so classless. when's the last time the cubs won the series, mike? was it '17? when was it? >> it was 1930-something, i think. >> in the '30s? it's been a little while. >> yeah. long while. >> what kind of team do they have this year? >> you know, they are in a growth project. you know, they're playing a lot of futures. they have the best farm system in baseball. theo epstein is in charge of it.
jed hoyer went over to run the cubs. they may be a year away. i think they'll show great signs of improvement second hatch of this year after we leave. >> very excited about going there. i've never been to wrigley. i cannot believe i've never been to wrigley. i've always wanted to get out there. >> apparently the best hot dogs in the land. >> chicago's just a special, special place. this is going to be a special morning. we can't wait to be there. donnie, you have to fly your jet over and pick up mika in the south of france so she can com. >> i'll bring some cattle. >> exactly. all right. the correct answer is 1908, the last time the sox have won a world series -- cubs, i mean. coming up next, jane harmon is here. she joins us for mika's must read opinion pages. mika's not here, but she has telefaxed them in again from monaco. we'll be right back. (vo) you are a business pro.
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♪ all right. welcome back to "morning joe." it's time for our midwest read op-eds. we have jane harmon, now the director and president of the woodrow wilson center for scholars. we've got a lot to talk about today. but what are the options for ukraine right now? >> well, our best option is economic. i know there's talk inside the administration of ratcheting up the economic sanctions, going against sectors. john mccain is right that basically russia's economy is a gas station with a few corrupt oligards outside. if we know how to do this with two main companies, we do that, we really hurt them. and we can do that right now. >> why don't we? >> beats me. we should do it.
who do we think the people inside ukraine are? martians? i don't think so. they look like russians and speak like russians and don't identify themselves which i think violates the geneva conventions. and we shouldn't do a military insertion. i don't think the military will go through. i don't think the u.s. should do that. but economically we should move right now. that will send a message across a bigger region. let's look at syria. what's going on with the poison gas thing. russia could stop that. let's look at iran. we need to deal there. and i think sending this message right now to russia where they're weak and we're strong, we should do it and not wait another day to do it. >> what do you think the actual time frame is going to be here? >> i don't know, katty. i think yesterday would have been a better day than today. it's clear what russia is going to do. they're trying to force this government to change itself into
some kind of federation with much more latitude for russian speakers. that's fine. but why should ukraine do this? it's not okay. it's not okay with the international community. and the u.s. in this case has to lead from the front. >> you know, jane, a lot of people are suggesting the president is not doing that. the wall street journal this morning says putin acts, obama assesses. the white house on monday said there was overwhelming evidence that russia is stirring the unrest in eastern ukraine but president obama hasn't yet decided if further sanctions are warranted. it's a perfect summary of the current state of the u.s. foreign policy. vladimir putin uses russian special forces to cow a neighbor and steal territory while mr. obama agonizes about what to do. we know mr. obama didn't run for president to engage in great power politics, but it is still part of the job description.
is he still interested in doing his job? jane, it sounds like in this case you may agree with "the wall street journal" editorial page. >> i'd put it a different way. i think he's been very careful to bring the international community along. international sanctions have much more bite. he's given diplomacy a full chance. but now much tougher sectoral sanctions are needed. if he explains this to americans, like if we do the grand bargain and ramp up our ability to extract cleanly transport and export natural gas, it seems to me we win. >> jane, you said i don't understand why he wouldn't do this. there's no political downside. he can hedge it as far as gas
prices going up why and how. what would be the reason for him to not do it? >> well, i think he's waiting for the international kmunts to come with. i think he's waiting long enough for the international community to come with. there was an opportunity last week. i'm not blaming him. i don't know whose decision it was when the g7 were in washington town for the imf meetings said nothing. it's fine if they say nothing and do something. but saying nothing and doing nothing is not a good recipe here to stop a big bully called vladimir putin. >> germany, what's the chance of getting germany on board on any of these sanctions whatsoever? it would send a stross message. >> it would. i think angela merkel understands this. i don't know why she can't do more here. it will be painful. short-term for europe. it will be painful longer term for europe and for us if we do nothing. as boston stands strong today and this week, it is time to
stand strong against russia. >> and there's one lesson history has taught us. breeds more aggression. >> especially with someone like putin. . jane harman, thanks for being here. jane what do you think about the theory of guys like joe and i confidence level being below our actual -- >> i'm sad for you. i'm sad for you. but, you know, the right to -- katty is the right guest to have. she's just brilliant. makes you look better. >> it's going to be huge. it's going to be the biggest book in america since "gone with the wind." we shall return. ♪ [ male announcer ] at his current pace, bob will retire when he's 153, which would be fine if bob were a vampire. but he's not. ♪ he's an architect with two kids and a mortgage. luckily, he found someone
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welcome back to "morning joe." not quite as bad, donnie, in washington, d.c. >> a little nicer. >> it's a city right now, they're charged. they're charged. it's like atlanta, 1939 when "gone with the wind" came out. washington, d.c., all over "the confidence code." there are guys like you and me that have been suffering from a hopelessness. this hopelessness that consumes us. >> overconfidence example? >> yeah. >> no, i'm not overconfident. >> overconfidence and overcompetence is what they suffer from. >> is that the diagnosis? >> not quite enough confidence, you poor boys. >> i'm working on it. >> but this book will help. we can a private sessions afterwards. pay me one of your cows. >> i think i can. i think i can. i think i can.
donnie, with you, i mean, you're confident for a reason. it ain't bragging if you can do it. and look at you. look at you. who would -- like, if you're going to wear a suit with pink stripes in it. >> three-piece suit. not just any suit. >> this book is exciting. because basically what it lays out for people who don't know, and this is already number two on the best seller list. >> racing up there. i'm a politician. let me say it. i think this thing's number one. this is guttenberg material. >> but the whole premise is men's confidence level is not as high as it should be given their skillset. >> it's almost that. >> oh, wait. it's the other way. >> except that it's not. >> it's the other way around. >> they read a different version. >> you and claire are going to be talking about this. joanna cole also discussing it. >> the confidence gap between men and women and what we can do about it.
>> we said last hour there are actual studies out there that shows it starts very young. you ask guys how good they are in math, little boys, and they always say they're better than they are. and opposite with little girls. >> men overestimate their ability on average by 30%. >> hold on one second. 30%. okay. >> you think you are 30% smarter, joe scarborough, than you actually are. >> actually, i don't think it. i know it. i'm just joking, twitter friends. i'm just proving her point here. >> selling some books. >> i wish i could read. that would be good. so we've got nicole here on set. former communication director for george w. bush and mccain campaign. i'm sorry she got involved in that escapade. >> you can't say it without laughing. it cured me of my confidence. >> so you were overconfident and book. >> no, i didn't have any at the end of it. but i read a lot of this book
and it's amazing. >> nicole's been great. she's been reading it through for me. >> explains a lot. >> we'll talk about it a little bit. >> should we get some news? >> i want to talk about cows. >> an armed standoff over land grazing rights is dragging in everyone from harry reid to americans for prosperity. at the center of it is this man clive bundy. he's in a fight with the bureau of land management, the federal agency says he grazed his herd of cattle on federal land for 20 years without paying. >> he owes the american people $1 million because he has not obeyed the laws. the courts have ruled on his arguments and have said that the land he claimed as his is public land. they have ruled his cattle is in trespass. the courts have demanded he remove his livestock and the courts have enlisted the park service. >> bundy denies and says the
rights have been trampled by federal officials. over the weekend federal personnel seized about a third of his cattle. bundy was backed by militia members from as far away as virginia and washington state. they faced off against land management officials in a tense showdown that lasted 20 minutes. the feds blinked first and returned the cattle on sunday. now harry reid and even mike huckabee are reacting to all of the events. >> well, it's not over. we can't have an american people that violate the law and just walk away from it. so it's not over. >> here's what i would suggest. that there is something incredibly wrong when a government believes that some blades of grass that a cow is eating is so an egregious affront to the united states that we would literally put a gun in a citizen's face and threaten to shoot him over it. >> okay, joe.
i think in this case huckabee's lost the plot a bit. if you had the idea anyone had cattle could just let them off grazing anywhere, it's not libertarianism. that's anarchy. >> if you respect the rule of law -- >> right. and there have been laws on this. >> this guy for 20 years has been breaking the law using federal land. he hasn't been paying the grazing fees that everybody else pays. for some reason this guy thinks that the laws that apply to every other rancher in the united states of america don't apply to him. and there's no doubt the bureau of land management overreacted. this could have been handled much better. so i think you go, even people on the further boundaries of the right and the conservative movement think that if this guy is going to use federal land, then this guy should actually pay the fees. and he owes over a million
dollars right now. and so -- yeah. >> it's no different if a guy in new york didn't pay his income taxes. >> it is the same thing. of course the bureau of land management could have handled this better. you don't go around tasing people or sticking guns in people's faces. but at the same time i would like to hear some people that are criticizing the land management also suggest to this man he does what every other rancher in the united states of america does. >> explained that this guy doesn't respect the federal government. doesn't believe in the federal government. >> right. >> so the fact we have laws that are parameters that were set up to all follow, the fact we have a justice system and consequences that come with that, unless you buy into that and you're this guy that doesn't, then this is what you get. >> he's breaking the law. >> that's why we have elections. >> he is breaking the law and you have people driving from all over the country to support this guy. i would think they certainly can support him any way they want, but the guy needs to abide by the law. >> yeah. that's why we have elections.
if you don't agree with the law, you have a democratic process by which to overturn the law. >> all right. let's go -- speaking of lawless, let's turn now to ukraine. >> ukraine's president is asking for the united nations to send peace keepers to the eastern part of the country. separatists are seizing more government buildings there. yesterday it was a police station. and though it's unverified, this video does appear to show ukrainian police being given instructions by a russian officer. efforts to drive them out of the building has been unsuccessful. a deadline set by ukraine's new president to clear militants has come and gone without action. in a tough phone call, president obama spoke with vladimir putin calling on him to move troops from the ukraine border and ask russians in seized buildings to stand down. putin said moscow is blameless in these protests pointing to the kiev government. but white house pres secretary jay carney says russia is using tactics, quote, from the soviet
past. >> it's not often that you suddenly have in a variety of cities all at the same time a bunch of men wearing military gear without insignias including bulletproof vests suddenly sprout up organically. in the form of protests. you know, it's kind of heavy handed approach, but an approach that russia has familiarity with, i mean, taking in the past including the soviet past. but it's not fooling anybody. >> let's bring in right now from washington, d.c. former national security adviser for president carter dr. brzezinski. he's the author of "strategic vision: america and the crisis of global power." dr. brzezinski, always great to see you. >> morning, joe. >> even if your daughter is -- we don't know. in the south of france again this morning. she hops around. if only she had my work ethic, dr. brzezinski. that's a joke, of course. a big joke. your daughter is the hardest
working woman in show business as you glare at me. >> well, joe, i was watching you and your colleague and i thought your colleague looked a little different than mika. i was going to say mika, you look different. >> trust me, mika would never wear a suit as tacky as donnie deutsch's this morning. we had jane harman on last hour. you know jane. former congresswoman from california, also head of the wilson center. she said that barack obama can no longer lead from behind on the ukraine. this morning "the wall street journal" says vladimir putin uses russian forces to steal territory while mr. obama agonizes about what to do. are those fair characterizations? >> basically, yes. i think more needs to be done, because what putin is trying to do is to destabilize piecemeals step by step to destabilize ukraine using the same tactics
he used to seize crimea. and the thugs that are doing the job in eastern ukraine seem strikingly similar to the thugs that did that job in crimea. so we're dealing with a kind of de facto piecemeal invasion of ukraine. and i think we have to be doing a little more than we're doing and particularly by sending private signals to the russians that we're dead serious. and one signal that i would be inclined to send is to talk to the ukrainians about what kind of weaponry they might need if push comes to shove. if the russians after seizing parts of ukraine decide to destabilize all of ukraine. and if the ukrainians want to resist, i think we do have an international obligation to help them in some fashion. >> let me ask you about vladimir putin and what you know, what you've read, what you've heard about the people that are surrounding him. one of the more frustrating
things about assessing iran's next move over the past four or five years is not knowing exactly who was in charge of the country, who makes the final decision over the past few years. what can you tell us about vladimir putin and his advisers around him? is he -- is he -- is he a dictator that makes all the decisions himself or does he have a group of advisers that can actually influence him? and let's say moderate some of his more extreme impulses. >> he seems to have a small group, kind of an inner circle of advisers who share his view. in other words, authority goes from the top down. there's no doubt that he is now the dictator of russia. that is, i think, crystal clear. and if you read carefully the speech he delivered a couple weeks ago or so in mid-march about the issue, it was really a
nationalistic, chauvinistic harangue appealing to the more primitive elements in russian society. it invoked all sorts of outbursts of really irrational enthusiasm on the part of that sector of russian society. and he spoke about russia's special mission, at its rights, and about its people. and he clearly hinted that any russian living anywhere in the world is in a sense part of russia and russia has the right to intervene and to demand whatever it wishes to demand regarding the rights of the russians living in foreign countries. so beyond ukraine and this is really the heart of the problem, we have the possibility that putin next will turn to latvia and estonia which are the independent baltic countries in which there lives quite a few russians because for half a century or so, russia seized
them and started populatiing wih them. >> katty has a question. katty? >> back in 1979 when the soviet union invaded afghanistan, your boss jimmy carter sent a message saying america would stop with using any weapons at disposal. you spoke of america arming ukraine. how would that help? >> first of all, a he didn't send a message saying any weapons would be sent. we said we would not be indifferent and showed it by sending weapons that they used. we didn't send them nuclear weapons, for example. i think we should have serious talks with the ukrainians regarding what kind of weapon they ought to have. probably in my judgment would be anti-tank weapons and weapons used for defending cities. because cities are difficult to take if the defenders have certain kinds of fundamental weapons. and i think if putin was aware
of these discussions and i wouldn't publicize them too much, i think he might think twice about going too far. and the ukrainians might feel more confident about resisting. and the paradox of this situation is that it's in putin's interest that he know in advance that the ukrainians might resist because if they resist, he's going to get involved in a conflict in which he might bog down if the ukrainians have some decent weaponry. because right now they do not. the russian economy as joe pointed out earlier is in very bad shape. they couldn't undertake a serious war that would last more than a few weeks. >> nicole wallace. i have a question about putin and about the sense that i think americans have that we've been taken by surprise by slavladimi putin. putin's not new. he's been on the world stage for decades. how is it there's so many who fail to understand and see -- fail to be able to anticipate
putin's next move? >> well, we certainly should know and some people do know more about him than the public generally knows. you know, he was an active member of the most brutal element in soviet union, the secret police, the secret services and so forth. and they're guilty of all sorts of activities that are abhorrent. he even comes from a family in which his grandfather served in the more immediate security detail of stalin himself. so he has a rather special background. but he has been relatively cautious as he sort of rose in power and became more and more established as president. i think he did enjoy the international circuit. lately something has happened to him that a strange. he has become rather emotional, impulsive. look at the strange action in crimea. sending in lots of thugs, literally armed thugs without
uniforms to destabilize that peninsula. and now he seems to be trying to do the same in eastern ukraine. >> this is thomas roberts. based off what nicole was saying when it comes to vladimir putin and seeing what he's doing in his power in russia and the world is going to have vladimir putin as the russian president until 2018. it seems as if he's getting ready for some type of harvest. you reap what you sow. based on the time left in the obama administration, isn't it paramount on them to stop any traction that vladimir putin is trying to gain and trying to nationalize russia and invade other countries before we have another president that feels that they have lost any potential to be able to put him in his place on an international stage? >> well, it's the duty of whoever is the chief executive at the given moment in american history. so of course it's the president's duty. i think we have to convince putin that what he's doing is really risky to russia itself. i think we've taken some steps
in that direction, but i think they could be intensified. and i think talking, not doing much, but at least talking to the ukrainians about if the need arises, providing them some defensive weaponry would make sense. it would send a signal. the ukrainians did ask us for help in that regard. do you know what our answer has been? we offered them prepackaged food for their soldiers. well, you can't win a military conflict by throwing pancakes at somebody. >> dr. brzezinski, it's donnie deutsch. you haven't touched on economic sanctions. we talked about this in the previous segment. it's rare you have economic sanctions that would have such teeth in them given a society so dependent on one business, oil. doesn't that seem to be the obvious move here? >> you're absolutely right. it is the obvious move. although i also have to add that since over the last few years we have made a real effort and so have is the russians to sort of become more part of the international community, and
there are a number of countries including ourselves although to a lesser extent that have an active economic trade investment relationship with russia. so imposing sanctions will affect us too. and this is what's holding some of us back including particularly some of our allies. but we have to ask ourselves responsibly what will be the consequences if we don't do that? and the consequences really could be extraordinarily stabilizing. it's not an accident incidentally that some countries normally sympathetic to russia are beginning to have doubts. i read a report yesterday, i don't know if it's confirmed, that belarus has recently or just yesterday decided to recognize the government of ukraine as a legitimate government of ukraine ahead of russia. and the chinese who did not vote either way at the u.n. decided to endorse or support or approve the imf, the international
monetary fund, decision to give economic financial aid to ukraine. so there is some erosion, i think, some support among those relatively few countries that until now have not been clearly critical of russia. >> all right. dr. brzezinski, thank you so much for being with us. it's always great to have you here. >> nice to be with you. >> that trench coat tells me some espionage is coming. >> you have this prison cell in which i'm sitting here in washington and the temperature, it is about 45 degrees. >> that's the d.c. bureau. we'll crank the furnace up. >> it's really cold in there. >> it's always cold in there. >> he's confident. he's wearing his overcoat. i would take mine off. >> and freeze? >> looks great. >> with the collar popped. >> i love it. it's very fashionable. i'm going to report back to mika on just how great he looked in that. i want him there every day.
dr. brzezinski, also say hi to mrs. brzezinski. very excited about her beautiful, beautiful book that's going to be coming out on remarkable artwork. >> that's a remarkable achievement. i'm really so proud of her that she's worked so hard all her life and she's very creative. and now she's getting some recognition. that is terrific. i'm so proud. >> it really is. >> happy for her. >> dr. brzezinski, thank you so much. >> great to be with you all as always. >> as always, thank you. coming up, we've got journalist and author claire shipman and editor in chief of cosmo joanna coles. they're standing by and they're going to be talking about "the confidence code" and doing an intervention on me. and later, he's taken on the civil war, now ken burns is exploring the gettysburg address. you're watching "morning joe." we shall return. ♪
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. you have john saying go get 'em, joe. welcome back to "morning joe." it's time to talk about confidence. and i must say, i am feeling inadequate when i look around this table and look at the bright colors. >> some energy going on here. >> did you not get the red memo? >> orange is the new orange, actually. so this is big. this is big. not since 1939, "gone with the wind" in atlanta, georgia, has one book caused this excitement. have you seen the atlantic? >> this unbelievable. i'm so -- congratulations. very, very exciting. >> this is big. and it's all about confidence. with us now to talk about it, claire shipman along with katty kay is the author of "the confidence code." also at the table editor in chief of cosmo joanna coles and of course nicole is still with us. we've been joking about it, but mika has spoken to women and the first thing she says all the
time is don't say you're sorry. you're not sorry. have the confidence to go with what you believe in. talk about the confidence code. >> that's where the idea of writing this book came from. we would interview all these women around the country in politics, business, the military. women you expected to be brimming with confidence. we kept coming across phrases like, i was just in the right place at the right time. actually what we found was wells of self-doubt among women. so we started to look into the research to see if there was such a thing as a confidence gap between men and women. and the statistics are extraordinary. we talked about this earlier the the program. men overestimate their abilities by 30% on average. women tend to underestimate their abilities. there was a study in the uk asking young graduate students what do you deserve to earn five years out of college. the men would say i think i deserve to earn $80,000. the women would say i deserve $64,000.
it's a 20% gap in what we feel we deserve. >> that is remarkable that men don't -- you know, women want what, you know, they think works best for everybody. men are always about i deserve this, i did this, and blow through the walls. >> it's not always -- there's a lot of evidence that men lead towards overconfidence, but what i will say is it's not fraud. it's a natural -- as columbia university put it in a study we found, it's natural overconfidence. men aren't faking it. they just really tend to think they're a little better than they are. my favorite statistic is the hewlett-packard statistic and other studies have backed this up. looking at promotions, women will apply for a promotion when they believe they have met 100% of the job requirements. men will go for that promotion at 60%. you can imagine how that plays out in a workplace. that's why we think the confidence gap is holding women back.
>> and men are quite right. because you can learn the rest of the skills on the job. >> and i also think, it plays out -- we've seen women earn 80 cents on the dollar for the dollar that the man earns. it's sort of not only do they feel it, but it's them projected as a reality which is what's so interesting about the book. because you have so much science in here as well which is what i loved about it. i really think this is essential for young women to read to understand why they feel the self-doubt they inevitably do and how to get through it. >> i read it and thought this should be mandatory reading for the men in the world. because every man is either a father of a girl or a husband or the boss, and, you know, i worked in the george w. bush white house where women were elevated above men in many areas. so to me this is about how all those things make women superior. and i think we're talking about having hillary clinton run and possibly being the democratic nominee. i think we're at a point where we can start talking about how
these things make women superior. that -- so what is the plus side of that gap? is the humility make women easier to approach? is there something about self-deprecatining humor that makes mem better managers? there has to be some benefit. >> fundamentally we came away with a positive conclusion that first of all, confidence does matter. you do actually have to believe in your abilities in order to take the next step. but that confidence can look different from that kind of dominating every meeting, talking longest and loudest, having that bravado. it doesn't have to look like that. one of the most confident women we spoke to was christine lagarde. he's very warm. she's accessible. she's not at all overbearing and yet she's confident. >> she had a great phrase. she cautioned us early on because she was one of our first interviews and she said women in
trying to gain more confidence should not make the mistake of looking like men. and she told us a story about a new leader, a female leader of a third world country who had cut back on the size of her motorcade and got a lot of criticism for that. because she looked less presidential, less powerful. and lagarde told her counterintuitively, do not listen to them. own what you want to do, what you feel is right, and make a virtue of it. >> that's another thing that mika in her -- i think knowing your values, she was talking about what worked for me. breaking down the wall and then going to phil and saying i deserve this and da da da. and phil and i fighting and then talking baseball. didn't work for her. but it was a nightmare for her. >> and if someone comes to me and says this a what i deserve, i'm going to back off and i'm probably not going to give it to them. i know one of the things we've
been conscious at cosmo is making sure that we have enough images of women in powerful positions. and you talk about valerie jarrett in the book. and i remember one of the images we selected of her recently, you know, as adviser to the president. it's her specifically looking like she's telling the president what to do. so she's not in the submissive position, but she's actually got her hands out and he's slightly shrinking back. i feel like if you can't see it, you can't be it. we need more images in popular culture to represent power women. i think the four of us sitting here in these bright colors, it's our own little start for monday or tuesday morning. >> and i'm muted. i'm shrinking. nicole, i heard katty talking about women having wells of self-doubt. and men do too. my son always saying dad, you're always so confident. i say joey make no mistake of it
and i've told him for years, i'm driven by self-hatred and insecurity. if i fail i go into a dark, dark hole. so i will stay up 24 hours a day. i bring that up just so say, you've been around men and in the white house and i'm sure your personal life who have the same self-doubt. i wonder if we just process it differently. and i turn the self-doubt into anger, into motivation. >> this doesn't sound healthy. >> no. but that's how men think. and it works. i get motivated. >> you turn it into action. >> i turn it into action. i'll go into a black hole and i'll be there alone at 2:00 in the morning. when i wake up at 6:00, i'm ready to go to war. >> i think about you, don draper. >> oh, my god. >> do we have that photo? >> men with baggage --
>> wait a minute. are you saying i have baggage? or the self-hate? >> self-hate. when men are trying to overcompensate for something whether they feel like they come to national politics as a governor and maybe lack a foreign policy background, when they come to, you know, a role maybe that they were chosen they were an underdog. when they rise to prominence in a new field, you came from congress to television. there is a work ethic that men wear proudly. women particularly if they have children are always apologizing if they're working 24 hours a day. they're always explaining, well, i go home from 6:00 to 8:00 for bedtime. then i work after the kids go to sleep. there is an apology with women working that way to avenge deficiencies, there is a lot of guilt that women feel when they put the pedal to the metal and work like that. that is sort of the complicated
nature of being mothers and trying to have it all. and i wonder how much of that is self-imposed. >> what i love about the book is hearing all these successful people admit they feel a lack of confidence or they have inner doubt. but i also think the way men share sports scores, it's also how women communicate with each other. one says you look great, no i look fat, i'm ill prepared. it's the way that women actually communicate. and the thing is we don't always mean it. i might say i look fat but i don't actually think i look fat. but it's a way of saying we're equal. >> sometimes those stories we tell ourselves over the long run, i'm lucky, no, no, i really didn't -- we start to believe them. and i just think that constant -- a little bit of it is fine, but sometimes we need to stop and listen to ourselves. how hard is it? it's really hard when someone gives you a compliment to say
thank you. yes, i worked so hard on this book, i think it's terrific. i don't know i can do that. >> there's an inner woman in me because i don't take compliments. so there you go. i got one thing i'm sensitive about. >> i also think the point that nicole was making is, yes, there's a lot of -- there's so many values women have in the way we operate, the way we manage that it's just hugely beneficial for women in the workplace. this is a narrow sliver, we think, that's critical. which really boils down to risk taking. we've got to be willing to take more risks. and stop some of that ruminating. that's a key for women and it's real. >> all right. you can take the confidence quiz online at theconfidencecode.com. >> by tomorrow morning. we launched this quiz yesterday, thousands have taken it. i want you to take it. >> we'll talk about it. >> the book is "the confidence
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>> this is an nbc news special report. >> we're coming on the air right now to report one if not two explosions in succession at the -- near the finish line of today's boston marathon. >> the ground shook. i mean, my legs didn't shop shaking. >> that image and that sound, i'll never forget the sound. >> as soon as the second one went off, it was complete mayhem. >> i was carrying this flag. and my instinct was to go help him and see what i can do. i just pray. >> make no mistake, we will get to the bottom of this and we will find out who did this. we'll find out why they did this. >> m.i.t. police officer has been shot and killed. again, the shooting happening at 10:30 tonight.
and as a result, a very, very widespread crime scene. [ gunshots ] >> there are reports of explosions and gunfire in watertown, massachusetts. this after earlier reports of violence in nearby cambridge. >> i saw them light this bomb. they threw it towards the officers. one of the shooters ran towards the officers while still engaging in gunfire. >> the two suspects involved in a crime spree are, in fact, the same two suspects wanted in the boston marathon bombings. suspect number one is now dead after a shootout with law enforcement. >> house to house, structure to structure, building to building search going on in watertown, massachusetts. for the younger of these two suspects. >> i had not seen this amount of
police presence and military presence in an american city ever. >> a bloodied if still alive suspect visible to all in a boat after two volleys of gunfire. >> it's over. >> it's over? >> they have an ambulance there on the scene. >> the ambulance is coming out of the see. >> dzhokhar tsarnaev, said to be 19-year-old student at umass has been apprehended. after the all clear was given, after a day-long lockdown, the people can come out again. >> moments like these, terrible as they are, don't show our weakness. they show our strength. >> and i saw people instead of running away ran to the problem. not even thinking of their own personal condition, but worried about there's another one of my fellow citizens, another human being who needs help. that's where i'm going. >> so we will recover and repair.
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>> that all men are created equal. >> that this nation under god should have a new birth of freedom and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth. >> that was a clip from ken burns' upcoming documentary "the address." here with us ken burns who also agrees with me on men. we have just as much self-doubt. we process it different. >> we turn it into sort of action instead of allowing it to sit with us. >> so you're saying all these documentaries i've seen i can chock up to your self-hatred. >> that's exactly right. shelby foot told me u.s. grant had what he had 4:00 in the morning courage. you wake him up at 4:00 in the morn morning and tell the enemy has turned its flank, he's cool as a cu cucumber. >> let's talk about "the address." most important speech in american history? >> i think so.
we really do believe four score and seven years ago thomas jefferson said all men were created equal. but oops, he owned other human beings. so this is the 2.0 version. the version we're still using. on the first anniversary of 9/11, that's what was read outloud, the only english words besides the sad list of the dead. and then at the school, the greenwood school, these kids with learning differences, like dyslexia, adhd, a whole alphabet soup of stuff, for 35 years the school has said you need to memorize this but also publicly recite it. that's the thing. it's a difficult task for anybody to do a memorization, particularly in this day where we don't focus on it, but to ask these kids to do it and then publicly recite it, it's a minefield of terrors and anxieties. it awakens all that self doubt and yet they do it. i was asked ten years ago to be a judge. a boarding school for little
boys. and they do it and it was so magnificent. >> so moving. >> so moving. and what we can see is we can help us today. we don't do anything in unison anymore. so we started this action called learn the address.org. we got all the living presidents to recite it. we have lots of very famous in media reading it. we've got, you know, bill o'reilly, but also rachel maddow, nancy pelosi but marco rubio, everybody. but more importantly at the website you'll see thousands of your fellow citizens who memorized it. school kids in alabama and utah, hawaii, it's fantastic. >> it's not just a great political speech, it is absolutely beautifully written and that's the lovely thing about getting people to read it outloud is the poetry of that. >> other than the first sentence, i had not seen this probably in 25, 30 years, had not read it, and how moving, how declarative -- >> he uses the word "here" all the time. that we here highly regard, here
determined. he's sort of saying right here. two minutes. the guy before him, the featured speaker, a great orator, spoke for two hours and he wrote the president and they had i would hope i came to the theme in two hours as you did in two minutes. we carry it like this jewel. can you imagine what it's like for any of us to learn something like that, to put it on our hard drive and to have it permanently. but for these kids, lincoln talks about a new birth of freedom in this thing and these kids enjoy a new birth of freedom. now, you know i'm working on six different films at once. i had to go to my underwriters, bank of america and pbs and the corporation for public broadcasting and the better angels society and say pretty please could we shoot this. i need to do this film. and they all graciously said yes. and bought in not only to the film but to the idea that we could then expand it by asking everybody. i'm asking you to learn it, to memorize it.
you'll curse me for a couple days at the mirror in the morning, but you'll get it and then you'll thank me for the rest of your life because to internalize something like that is to carry something with you. it's a pretty impressive thing. the greenwood school now run by a former marine hands out a coin to all the boys who achieve it. and the boys, you know, they get handed this coin and then for the rest of their lives, they carry this coin and it's -- it's a fantastic thing. it draws them into that future. you know, lincoln's first sentence is where have we been. four score and seven years ago. the second sentence is where we are right now. now we are engaged in a great civil war. but the rest of it is this poet president pulling us into a future we didn't yet know we had. it was said of t.r., i'm working on a film about t.r. that he had distance in his eyes. it's abraham lincoln who had distance in his eyes. he could see over the horizon not only of space but of time and saw where we were going in terms of equality, saw where we
were going in terms of where the republic could catch up to its values. so i think what these kids do are internalizing this magnificent thing. it helps them. but i think in watching their process, we help ourselves. >> all right, thank you so much, ken burns. >> thank you. >> poet president is write, extraordinary speech all these years later. what a great story. >> it's so heart warming, i think you'll love it. >> all right. you can catch "the address," another great film by ken burns tonight at 9:00 p.m. on pbs or check your local listings for times. ken, thanks so much. in eight days "morning joe" is headed to wrigley field. we're celebrating 100 years at the historic park on wednesday, april 23rd. we'll be right back. what if a photo were more than a memory? what if it were more than something to share? what if a photo could build that shelf you've always wanted? or fix a leaky faucet? or even give you your saturday back?
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good morning. it's 8:00 a.m. on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. as you take a live look at new york city, it's beautiful out there. it's a chamber of commerce day. i just want to dive into it. back with us on set, katty kay is going to be giving donny deutsch and myself confidence lessons all morning along with thomas roberts. and in boston, mike barnicle. i'm curious, what do you think, a lot of unrest, especially in the conservative community this morning, and i would dare say a lot of americans not understanding why "the guardian" and other newspapers -- >> "the washington post." >> "the washington post" that some would say aided and abetted a guy that many -- "the wall street journal" talking about a guy that's guilty of treason getting his stories out in ways
that the u.s. government, at least the obama administration, believe hurt this country. what are your thoughts? and certainly what are you hearing? >> so there you have "the guardian" and "the washington post" getting the pulitzer prize for public service. and the controversy is over, did they support somebody who is effectively treasonous, a traitor to america. the counterargument that is made by the pulitzer board is that they are doing the best journalism around. they are not part of snowden's story, they are reporting snowden's story and that is why they have been given this. they came across and were given access to this incredible story. whatever you think of snowden, i think we would all recognize that we would not be having the debate about nsa surveillance that we've had in this country over the last year had it not been for the reporting on snowden's story and that's the argument of the. >> and obviously had an
extraordinary impact if you want to look not only on this government but also policies and the discussion across the world. mike barnicle, up in boston, of course, "the boston globe" received a pulitzer for their work on breaking news, obviously a year ago today. it's a difficult day for many in boston looking back over the past year. we were just talking around the table about how it is so hard to believe that it's only been a year since that terrible, terrible spring day last year. >> yeah, joe, it is actually. i meantime does fly, literally. brian mcgrory, the editor of "the boston globe" after the prizes were announced, it was a story that no one in that newsroom wanted to cover and yet they did cover it. they did cover it incredibly well. as a result they received a pulitzer yesterday. and it's similar to what the "times" did after september 11th. they covered the city that they are part of. they gave voice and life to what
happened a year ago today. you know, it was an outlet for the community as well as a source of information for the community, obviously. >> no doubt about it, extraordinary coverage of a terrible, terrible event. by the way, thomas, if people watching "morning joe" and there are, i think, if you count armed forces, about 87 million people worldwide, if they want to lodge complaints against the pulitzer board, we know who they can complain to. >> eugene robinson sits on the board. so he gets to judge on this. he was complaining last week when he was here, though, that if there is a colleague of his at the "washington post" that comes up, they recuse themselves. they leave the room. >> he probably stayed in the room for this one. all right, katty, let's get to pull it issers. >> it's been busy down in south africa after five grueling days.
the cross examination of oscar pistorius is over. earlier prosecutors questioned his version of the night his girlfriend was shot and his reaction upon discovering her on the bathroom floor. >> i find it strange, sir, you've now seen her for the first time, that your panic would not have been at its greatest when you saw her through the broken door. >> it was -- the state of panic is not knowing. when i saw reeva there, i was broken. i was overcome by sadness. so i wouldn't have screamed out. >> you would not have thought that you shot her? >> that's not what i said, my lady. >> you hoped you didn't. >> i hoped you didn't. >> but when you saw it, mr. pistorius, that must have been unbelievable shock. >> that's correct. >> and you never screamed and shouted out? >> that's correct. >> you're running up and down screaming but not when you saw her. >> that's correct, my lady.
>> mr. pistorius, i would have expected you to then scream at reeva. >> yes, i talked to her. i was crying, i was talking to her all the time. saying, baby, please hold on. jesus, please help me. >> that is one forensic prosecutor. yesterday the former olympian was accused of staging his courtroom outburst to hide his frustration with the prosecution's line of questioning. federal authorities will pursue hate crimes charges against frazier glenn cross. he's the white supremacist arrested in connection with the murder of three people at jewish community centers around the kansas city area. the former kkk grand dragon was at one time a green beret in vietnam. he stockpiled guns and served three years in prison for weapons charges. he reportedly yelled "heil hitler." police say none of his victims were jewish. caught in the crossfire were a doctor and his grandson.
they were attacked while heading to a teen talent competition. the boy's mother showed extre extreme -- >> my dad and my son were at the wrong place at the wrong time for a split second. he was with us for a wonderful 14 years. he had a really full life for a 14-year-old. we were very blessed. people keep saying how come you're so strong, and i'm strong because i have family, i'm strong because i have faith. i know that god did not do this. i know that there are evil, evil actions. but what we do have is each other and we have love. >> unbelievable. that woman has just lost her 14-year-old son. >> and her father at the same time. it's unbelievable that her father had moved in town a decade earlier. >> and she was just visiting him
actually down there. but also killed was terr terri lomanno who was visiting her mother at a facility. an armed standoff over land grazing rights is dragging in everyone from senate majority leader harry reid to americans for prosperity. at the center is this man, cliven bundy. he's in a fight with the bureau of land management. the federal government says he's grazed his herd of kalts on federal land for 20 years without paying. >> it was the -- he owes the american people $1 million because he has not obeyed the laws. the courts have ruled on his arguments and have said that the land that he claims as his is public land. the courts have ruled that his cattle are in trespass. the courts have demanded that he remove his livestock, and the courts have authorized bureau of land management and the national park service. >> bundy denies the legitimacy of the federal government and his backers say the state of
nevada's rights have been trampled by federal officials. it came to a head over the weekend after federal personnel seized about a third of his cattle. bundy was backed by militia members from as far away as virginia and washington state. they faced off against land management officials in the tense showdown that lasted 20 minutes. the feds blinked first and returned the cattle. >> i'd like to empathize with him but i've been paying taxes for grazing cattle on madison avenue going back seven years now, so -- >> they go halfway through central park. by the way, i don't mind you doing that. >> kind of annoying. >> but i called the feds and i wanted to get the tasers out on you when they get to the west side. that's my hood. you stay on the east side. there's a line right down the middle. >> joe is going to set his onto your -- >> can i just say my sheep are going to continue to graze around tavern on the green even when it reopens on april the 24th. i'm very excited about that.
no, listen, listen, anybody that calls themself conservative and tries to wrap themselves around this cause, where the federal government has land, you go to the courts, you do it legally, and every court decides that you don't have a right to graze on federal land without paying the united states government for that right. it is not conservative. there's nothing conservative about that. either the guy owes the federal government money and if he doesn't pay the money, they can take his cattle away. there are -- you know, i saw eric tweet over the weekend saying, wait a second, i don't understand, is he paying for the right? it was a rhetorical question. i talked to somebody else and i won't say their name on air who very conservative guy who would normally like you, of course, because of your cattle in -- you know, the east side would love to sympathize with this guy.
but there's no sympathizing with him. did the federal government overreach? perhaps they did in their reaction. there was an overreaction to this. at the same time, the courts have decided, and either this guy is going -- you know, if people are rushing to his defense to say you can do whatever you want to do and you can ignore one judge after another judge after another judge after another ruling after another ruling and you call yourself a conservative, please, please, attach another label to yourself. >> anarchist. you just end up with anarchy. >> one thing that was really interesting watching that video, it almost looks like a bad "b" movie but the federal authorities, one of them does get tased and he just rips it off and goes back at the officers. obviously very chaotic, passions are running high in a situation like this. but if they vetted this through the courts, there has to be some adherence to what the courts are finally saying. >> one court after another court after another court, so -- >> let's go europe.
ukraine's president is asking for the united nations to send peace keepers to the eastern part of the country. separatists are seizing more government buildings there. yesterday it was a police station. and though it is unverified, video appears to show ukrainian police being given orders by a russian officer. efforts to force russian sympathizers out of the buildings have been unsuccessful. a deadline set by ukraine's new president to clear militants under the threat of force has come and gone without action now. in a tough phone call president obama spoke with vladimir putin by phone call on him to move troops from the ukrainian border and ask russians in seized buildings to stand down. putin said moscow was blameless in these protests, pointing to the kiev government, but white house press secretary jay carney says russia is using tactics from the, quote, soviet past. >> it's not often that you suddenly have in a variety of cities all at the same time a bunch of men wearing military
gear, including bulletproof vests, suddenly sprout up organically in the form of protests. you know, it's kind of heavy-handed approach, but an approach that russia has familiarity with, having taken it in the past, including in the soviet past. but it's not fooling anybody. >> let's bring in right now nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. richard, it looks like ukraine is running out of options. >> reporter: well, ukraine is faced with some very difficult choices. the government in kiev is weak and it is losing control of its territory, building by building. about nine towns and cities right now have pro-russian sympathizers occupying police stations, an air strip, government offices, and there are a mixture of russian troops, ukrainian russian nationals, these are people who have dual nationality, and sometimes just hired thugs who are paid by russian sympathizers or paid
directly by moscow. the government in kiev has a choice. it can either go in by force and try and drive them out. one, it doesn't have a lot of force to do that so it might not even succeed. and two, if it does go in by force, then it just backs up russia's argument that these people, these russian sympathizers are being attacked by the pro-american government in kiev and could cause -- could be a provocation that moscow would use to intervene militarily. so the government in kiev has very, very hard choices. >> mike barnicle is in boston and has a question. mike? >> richard, what's the level of concern on the ground in the ukraine that vladimir putin, while he can instigate or help instigate things, forment violence and riots behind the scenes, there is a point that he cannot control what happens, that it might spin rapidly out of control? >> reporter: people think at this stage this is a pretty organized plan and that it is
going according to plan. look at the example in crimea. i just got back from the region. i was in crimea when this happened, i was in kiev during the revolution. in crimea you had russian troops leave their bases and deputize all of the people around there and just took over. imagine in the united states, if you had all of the american troops based at ft. hood, left their bases, deputize all of the military sympathetic community and say, okay, we're now an independent country. that's sort of what happened in crimea. what you're seeing now in the eastern part of the country, which has a very long border with russia, is people who have russian sympathies, people who have russian nationality are coming in. you see some of the pictures there right now. taking over buildings and then holding them and effectively daring the government in kiev to
come and try and kick them out, because if they do, there will be blood on the streets and moscow, which has said all along that the government in kiev is anti-russian, will come out and say, well, we need to send in peace keepers, and they have 40,000 troops on the border and you can see those russian peace keepers rolling across. >> all right, richard engel, thank you so much. still ahead on "morning joe" it's one of the most comprehensive looks in the events in the boston marathon bombings. author scott helman and jenna russell will be with us to talk about their book "long mile home." first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill, what's it looking like? >> it's a cruel day in the midwest all the way down through the deep south. everyone is saying where's spring? on the east coast you'll be saying that come tomorrow. first things first. we have to watch the severe weather that yesterday happened in mississippi sweeping up along the mid-atlantic coast. they were hit pretty hard in mississippi overnight. they saw some very strong winds. this was not a tornado, they
said this was straight-line winds. even straight-line winds of 60 to 80 miles per hour can do some significant damage to things that are not tied down. so let's show you the airports, because this will be significant throughout the day and probably get worse before it gets better. almost two and a half hour delays at laguardia, 30 at jfk. as i mentioned, the rain hasn't even arrived yet. the huge story last night through the great lakes was the snow. detroit had 3 inches of snow last night. how cruel is that? they were 70 degrees over the weekend. and with that 3 inches, this is now officially the snowiest winter ever recorded in the city of detroit. pretty impressive winter, to say the least. that snow continues at this hour all the way through eastern areas of ohio. it's snowing as far south as kentucky. as far as the rain goes, it's starting to get steady and heavy. it's going to pour here shortly over the next half hour to hour in areas like washington, d.c. if you're heading to the car, give yourself a little extra time. these temperatures are pretty crazy. it is 59 in boston, while it's 37 in dallas. it's about 20 to 30 degrees
warmer right now on the eastern seaboard than throughout much of the heartland, and that cold air is going to sweep to the east. areas in new england are going to go from rain to snow overnight. we may see snowflakes as far south as new york city come later on this evening. it was like 80 degrees in new york two days ago. here's the official forecast for today. it will clear out in the midwest but it is cold and chilly. if you have travel plans, especially at the airports, new york, boston, d.c., philadelphia, expect significant delays later today. you're watching "morning joe." ♪ when i'm halfway into your heart ♪
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welcome back to "morning joe." it's time for morning papers. mike brought "the globe" over today. nice beautiful shot. "one year, one city" and of course a lot of the people from last year standing at the finish line, front page of "the boston globe." >> does it double out? look at that. >> it's beautiful. >> it's time from the morning papers. from "the new york times," firefighters in chile struggle to contain a wildfire that's killed 15 people and destroyed more than 2,000 homes. the forestry agency said it could take three weeks to put out the fire. officials expect the death toll to rise as search and recovery efforts continue throughout the region. more than 10,000 people have been evacuated from their homes. >> that is one big fire.
from our parade of papers "the los angeles times" the submarine search for missing malaysia flight 370 hit a snag on its first day underwater. the u.s. navy released this footage of the bluefin drone being deployed in the indian ocean, but just six hours into its dive the craft was forced back to the surface after reaching its limit of 4500 meters. the sub will continue its search today. more from "the boston globe." a new congressional report finds major e-cigarette companies are targeting young people. they're giving away free samples to teens at music and sporting events. companies are also running ads on radio and tv during youth-centered programs. the report comes as the fda prepares to roll out new toba o tobacco-based regulations which will include rules for e-cigarettes. >> i know those e-cigarettes are better than cigarettes but don't you have qualms about them targeting kids? >> no doubt a big problem targeting kids. >> the video of them exploding in certain circumstances when
you're plugging them up to charge them. >> let me say for the record i am against 14-year-olds having exploding cigarettes. i know it's going to upset a lot of people on twitter, i'm going there, katty, i'm going there. >> you're going to be opposed to freedom next, aren't you? >> you have the right to have an e-cigarette blow up in your face if you so choose to. i think that's what -- you know, that's -- >> that's what our founding fathers wanted. >> that's what our founding fathers fought -- >> just what they had in mind. the san jose america news" google has acquired titan, the manufacturer of solar powered droughns. the tech giant did not disclose how much it paid for the 2-year-old startup. google will use these drones to collect aerial photos. facebook was in talks to purchase titan as well for $60 million before google closed on the deal. >> google is buying everything. i'm hoping they'll accidentally buy one of my dogs. buying everything. in the "washington post" federal authorities are pressing charges against a woman accused
of throwing a shoe at hillary clinton last week at an event in las vegas. she was charged with trespassing and violence against a person in a restricted building. she faces up to a year in prison. local authorities also booked her for misdemeanor disorderly conduct which could carry a six-month sentence. so much, thomas, for those that have been saying over the past 24 hours that hillary staged the event. >> it's a deep conspiracy. >> she handled it well. >> she got this woman and said whip your shoe at my head. >> and then spend a year in prison. with us now the chief white house correspondent for politico, michael enhere with the morning playbook. it's great to have you here. katty, congratulations on pub day. very exciting. >> it is one of the most closely watched races of the year. we're talking about what's happening in louisiana with senator mary landrieu and now we have the first ad out for re-election. take a peek at part of it. >> for years, she's forced
washington to respect louisiana. >> the administration's policies are simply wrong when it comes to oil and gas production in this nation. >> like stopping offshore drilling. >> nothing about this moratorium makes sense, nothing. >> now as the new chairman of the energy committee. >> do you think there are a bunch of fairy god mothers that wave a magic wand? >> she holds the most powerful position in the senate for louisiana. >> we produce the oil and gas. that's the message we told to the president. my eyes are on the people i represent and the taxpayers and this country. >> all right. so the title theme will not rest. how does it do? >> this is really surprising at a time when almost everybody is running away from d.c. this ad, which goes up statewide in louisiana today and "morning joe" viewers are seeing it there for the first time, she's talking about what she's done. i told the president what i did. i'm chairman of the energy committee. so she's saying she can deliver
for louisiana perhaps one of the most endangered incumbents. she's taking her campaign on saying i can get it done. >> not running away from d.c., not running away from accomplishment or hard-fought battle. >> this is the opposite of so many races where people shy away from bragging about the things they used to in the past. nobody wants to take credit for the things that, joe, you and your colleagues used to always take credit for when you were running for re-election. >> but mary landrieu has already said when it came to the health care act, she was the one that tried to fix it, right? so in a sense this is just an extension of that previous message, extending it to the moratorium and to her energy issues and bp? >> that's a great point, standing up to the federal government, getting changes, saying she worked for louisiana. >> that's kind of the only thing she can do, right? >> right, no way to run away from it. and the chairmanship of energy in louisiana is a huge thing for that state. she's trying to convince people of that. there's an ad we saw we have a male narrator and it's
interspersed with quotes from mary landrieu a minute long as she unveils her message. >> donny deutsch, i've always said mary landrieu always figures out a way to win. that was a good ad. >> joe, she really took a page from your playbook, 90 miles an hour straightforward. i thought that was a fantastic ad in both its content and more importantly in its tone. she is leaning in, this is what i am doing. i am taking the bull by the horns. i think it could even be a play book for some people as far as how they could even -- i don't want to say hug and embrace obamacare in a very, very warm and fuzzy way, but certainly put their tone in that direction and say, hey look, i'm behind it, it's doing well, we still need to fix it and i think there's a real playbook here. >> obviously she talked about an initiative that was very important to louisiana. she also had the first clip of talking about how the administration didn't get it right. donny, she's going to also roll
out an ad later on this year if she's going to continue this series where she's critical of some of the things the president has done on obamacare. but the key is 90 miles an hour going forward. if you are a democrat in a red state and you're mealy mouthed and you're scared, people sense it and you lose elections. but there, man, that would -- i don't think i've seen a commercial like that before the whole tv clips from washington while people in the home state are watching. really -- >> the tone is the most important. the confidence is drawn out and i think there's something to be learned there. >> speaking of tv ads you've never seen before, listen to this one and the tone as john boehner's tea party challenger is looking for a laugh in his primary fight against the ohio republican. the candidate is out with a web video that mocks the house speaker's long tenure on capitol hill. >> you make a great team. it's been that way since the day you met, but your electile
dysfunction could be a result of blood flow. sometimes when a politician has been in d.c. too long, it goes to his head and he can't seem to get the job done. used on a daily basis, winterregg in congress will help you. other signs may include extreme skin disdiscoloration, the inability to punch out of a paper bag, smoking. >> and golf. if you have a boehner lasting locker than 23 years, seek immediate medical center, boehner shouldn't count his chickens before they hatch. >> again, the big line from this, if you have a boehner lasting more than 23 years, seek immediate medical attention. >> we heard that, thomas, thank you. >> can we attach that to the confidence discussion? >> wow. >> mike allen. >> so private parks are big in this cycle. this is what candidates are using to break through. last week in iowa -- >> did you say private parks or
parts? >> private parts. >> i thought you said private parks. >> we had the turkey castration ad last week and so these break through. now, this is a 32-year-old adjunct french professor, so a laugh is about all these going to get, but he broke through. >> thanks, politico's mi mike allen. coming up next, one year after the boston marathon bombing, we take a look back at the city's courageous hunt for those responsible. "morning joe," back after this. ♪ [ banker ] sydney needed some financial guidance so she could take her dream to the next level. so we talked about her options. her valuable assets were staying. and selling her car wouldn't fly. we helped sydney manage her debt and prioritize her goals, so she could really turn up the volume on her dreams today...and tomorrow.
it's a very close-knit community here and we are all just devastated. >> it was so loud. boom! >> what did your kids say to you? >> they said, oh, dad, you are so lucky. >> i ran 22 miles thinking about the minute when i was going to come down the street and get this medal and it's like this is not how i wanted it, but it's around my neck and i was a part of this day. >> this was a heinous and cowardly act, and given what we now know about what took place, the fbi is investigating it as an act of terrorism. it will take time to follow
every lead and determine what happened. but we will find out. we will find whoever harmed our citizens and we will bring them to justice. >> you know it's been a year since the boston marathon bombing shook an entire city and the nation for that matter. here with us now with an why-depth look, bill helman and jenna russell, author of "long mile home." it's great to have both of you here. as colleagues at "the globe" how did you decide that you wanted to chronicle this. that you wanted to join forces to put together this book? >> i think it was clear from the beginning that this is one of those stories that was going to have national and international resonance. within a few minutes the whole world was following it, obviously very tragic. we felt like at "the globe" this was a responsibility that we had to tell the full story, with the context, with the care, with the
respect that it deserved. so we set out in the weeks after it happened to really start on this process. >> the book in itself chronicles the five principal people that you felt that you wanted to feature their stories, but also talks about the tsarnaev brothers. talk about the principal characters that you followed. >> we knew we wanted to find people who were very close to these events, and so we focused in the book on a police officer who was at the finish line that day, on a trauma surgeon who was involved in the medical response, on one of the women who lost her leg in the bombing, on the family of one of the victims who was killed that day and also on the director of the marathon, who organizes the race. and we found that they were able to illuminate very different aspects of this story for us and bring it together as a real 360-degree hole. >> the brothers are featured as well. what surprised you in the reporting that you did on the tsarnaev brothers? >> together with our colleagues who did a great deal of work looking at their story, we found that they came to this country with hopes of achieving the
american dream. instead their family fell into decline and eventually collapsed. ultimately for these brothers into violence. >> you know, it's been sort of curious for me or difficult to understand for me, and i'm assuming for a lot of other people is motive. what drives someone who is in a financial state of collapse to do something that causes mass violence. and i'm wondering through the course of your reporting if you ever fully felt like you could answer that question or if it still lingers for you like it does for me. >> i think it definitely still lingers. i think it lingers for a lot of people. i think we'll see some more understanding of this when the trial happens of dzhokhar tsarnaev, the younger suspect, but the question of why is hard to answer. there are lots of immigrant stories in this country where it doesn't exactly turn out how they want it to go, but they don't all end in this awful descent into violence. these two brothers really have nothing left to lose. their family disintegrated,
these brothers were left on their own with really nothing -- you know, nothing grounding them to this country anymore. but again there's a big leap between that and setting off bombs at the finish line. >> i remember this vividly, how chaotic the reporting was in the immediate aftermath you had people on the cover being accused as the bombers. you obviously got to put this altogether. what surprised you about the police process and what was the big break essentially for law enforcement where they actually figured out these are our two guys, we need to focus in on them? >> well, they -- the place where the bombing to be place on boylston street in boston turned out to be very fortunate in that you have a great amount of retail and commercial business there and security cameras everywhere, so they figured out very quickly what they needed to do was comb through all of that footage looking for something, looking for a break. ultimately what that was was really a very subtle thing which was one of the brothers reacting to one of the bombs in a way
that was just a little bit off, just a little different than what you would expect. and that led them -- >> what was the reaction? was it a nonreaction? >> yes, it was less reaction than everybody else around him. >> that's very chilling when you hear people describe -- law enforcement officials who have seen this, very chilling to hear this description of it. you have this awful thing, this bomb that goes off. the natural reaction of everybody is to look and say oh, my god, what was that? he doesn't do it. he just keeps going and keeps walking away. that was a giveaway. >> last question from me. that day where they basically closed down boston, what was that like for anyone in the city? how chaotic was it? how scary was it? and for the political people in boston and the law enforcement people in boston, why did they feel compelled to take that step? >> it was a controversial step, and they knew it would be. they felt it was necessary because they were getting reports filtering in, suspicious vehicles and suspicious activity. nobody knew at that time if it was two guys or was it a larger
operation that could be planting more bombs so they felt they wanted to err on the side of caution. but it was a very surreal day in the city to be out in the streets and have nothing there and to have silence. very unusual, obviously. >> i've never seen a day like that ever. having been around a little bit in this business, i had never felt a day like that where it's just -- we describe it in the book as this pregnant moment and that's really what it felt like. you knew this was going to come to some kind of end, you just didn't know what the end would be. you see police cars racing by, you're seeing the white box truck that shows up at a checkpoint and you're thinking, okay, why are you here? i don't want to be near that. i don't know if that's involved or not. it was just everything -- you look for signs in everything and it was really a terrible day. >> i'm always curious, as reporters, we're all reporters around this table, when you take on a task of something like this, and obviously you have each other as a collective force when you're putting together this book, but scott let me
start with you. how do you protect yourself emotionally because this is a much more emotionally taxes process than doing something for "the globe." there's much more personality and tone that goes into a book like this so how do you guard yourself with that and your own emotions? >> it's a great question and it was really hard. i think we put ourselves into this book in a lot of ways. we tried to be detached but of course you can't be when you're covering something like this. both of us had very difficult conversations. you think about the reporting process of the book, this was just a few months after it happened. we're trying to say i know you went through this horrible thing but let me into your home and trust me with this story. i think we were both motivated by this tight deadline and we were able to put some of the emotion aside. i think in some ways when we read it now, in editing we'd read it and say that was a really powerful part. >> this is a testament to great newspaper journalism from the start to the finish, it played
an amazing role and was incredibly informative throughout the entire process so thank you for that. >> big thanks to the families who let you into their hearts and homes to tell this story. the book is called "the long mile home." thanks to being here. "morning joe" is back in a moment. stick around.
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name. but just watch this. this is an issue here. you've also got ukraine, a bombing in nigeria, there's a lot of reasons to be nervous from a macro perspective. >> i should point out tax day, yeah, rolling our eyes. >> listen, it's not everybody's favorite day. >> not at all. >> anybody's favorite day? >> but look at this coincidence that google glass is hitting the market on tax day, at least the one-day sale, right? i saw one of my neighbors walking through the lobby with his google glass the other day. >> what did you think? now you're getting into the commercial break conversation indirectly, you just backed into it. >> it reminded me of jordy from "star trek, the next generation." >> i think it's like the segway things, it's always going to look weird. >> how about, katty, google glasses on a segway. now you know where you're going and can film you at the same time. google glass is on sale today, i'll just move on. what is it, $1500. that's the sale. listen, be careful. there's been a lot more incidents people out west people
getting them taken. some restaurant owners, i think you had one on the show a while back, have been banning people. you know, it's fear. if i held my phone up to you, what are you doing? you know i have a phone but if i held it up, so i think there's some concern there. let me take it one step further -- farther, my grammer is not very good. google just patented a camera system that goes into contact lenses. that's right. forget google glass. this could be the next thing. >> so you could be wearing them without looking dorkish? >> apparently they blink, like there's some light or some way to know that they're activated. but this is not april 1st, this is a real story. google has patented a camera for contact lenses. >> for contact lenses? >> for contact lenses. >> so it's a camera and contact lenses so it enhances your vision and takes a snapshot? >> we're getting to the point where literally it's the hall of justice and legion of doom, x-ray vision is coming, thomas.
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>> men and women aren't that far apart when it comes to our insecurities. we are just different in how we funnel them. >> you and i, thomas, very insecure but we keep it well hidden. >> i love how men have rewritten your book. >> confidently taken over the book and rewritten it. okay, here's the difference between men and women, you're right, we all have insecurities. the difference between most men and most women is that the men carry on acting despite those insecurities, we women too often let our insecurities hold us back. >> who's the most confident woman you've ever met? >> i think christine leguard is up there, both competent and confident. >> what about you, nicole? >> sarah palin was the most confident woman i ever met. >> most competent? >> confident. >> donny? >> i learned based on a new ad if you have electile dysfunction and a boehner that lasts more than 4 hours you should see your doctor. >> i think it was 20 years. >> 23 years. >> if it's way too early, it's
"morning joe." stick around, luke russert is next. >> no way. >> he is. boston strong. one year after the horrific bombing attack at the finish line of the marathon, the city and the country pay tribute to the victims. also this morning, after weeks of rising tension over ukraine, the white house makes a point to note that at moscow's request presidents obama and putin had a phone chat. it's unclear whether they discussed the cia director's stop in kiev. it's tax day and new data about how much you're paying compared to your ancestors and other countries. that might surprise you. good morning from washington, it's tuesday, april 15th, 2014. this is "the daily rundown." i'm luke russert in for the great chuck todd. tax day, but we begin in ukraine where the next 24 hours could be a critical turning point as the ukrainian military tries to root